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 5/12 |
I saw this list on E-bay this morning. I can find any info on the "SOVEREIGN". http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...l2649#ht_3127wt_1064
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"Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
Something is wrong with this ad...  That vin# belongs to another member with a very different paint scheme... If anyone is bidding on this, I believe he is the 4th owner - not the 2nd as stated in his listing. I'm pretty sure that I talked to 2 of the previous owners of this coach... 2nd owner when he sold it 3rd owner when he sold it They initially had it listed as a Regency but it was determined to be either a Sovereign or a Breakaway XL. They also said this coach was 250hp - not the 300hp listed in the eBay ad. Get him to give you a picture of the data tag. It is probably 9310 3888 33XG 7C But, that vin#46GED1517P1051995 in the eBay ad - belongs to this coach.  The people at Barth "might have" screwed up a data tag and put the same vin# down for both coaches (I doubt it) as they were built one after the other, but... I'd like photo proof of that.  Based on the email address in that eBay ad - here is the current owner. mateo And he signed that post with Matthew 1983-22footer Who knows - maybe he owns 2 of these coaches. We have several members who own more than one.  BTW: I also ran that vin# through a decoder - it shows. it does not show a Cummins 8.3L
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| 1/21 |
44,000 miles @95MPH average Wow 464 engine hours?? #1 29' 1977parted out and still alive in Barths all over the USA | |||
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| 2/16 Captain Doom  |
Well, it has the Breakaway dash, but not the side radiator associated with the C8.3L. The only Sovereign that has surfaced is billyt53's, and it doesn't have corrugated sheathing. Basement storage appears to be more in line with Breakaways than Monarchs or a Sovereign. There was one Breakaway 34' XL with the C8.3L, but IIRC, it also sported smooth sides. I have to agree with Bill N Y; this coach may be seriously misrepresented. Rusty  "StaRV II"'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields | |||
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| "Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
I'm more inclined to go with the Breakaway XL as, like Billy T's coach, it doesn't have the extended side compartment door covering that wraps around the bottom like the Sovereign does. Also, NADA doesn't show a Sovereign in the Lineup for 94. But, NADA has been wrong in the past. I like the 8.3l Cummins, the Allison Transmission and the airbrakes found on this coach. In this case, I wouldn't get "Too Hung Up" on the model designation. A foot shorter - the wrong vin# - the relationship between the stated mileage and the eng hrs - 50hp difference... Go into this potential purchase with eyes a little wider. If anyone does look at it, snap a pic of the data tag or have him send you an image. Forward anything to bill_ny@barthmobile.com Good luck.
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FKA: noble97monarch 3/12 |
Bill, Isn't the HP discrepancy explained by the Banks upgrade? The third owner also says 250HP up to 300 HP with the Banks. This sounds about right to what Banks normally claims for an increase (however real or imagined).  Formerly: 1997 Barth Monarch Now: 2000 BlueBird Wanderlodge 43' LXi Millennium Edition DD Series 60 500HP 3 stage Jake, Overbuilt bike lift with R1200GS BMW, followed by 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, “I haven’t been everywhere, but it’s on my list.” | |||
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| "Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
If your turbo failed... what would you ask the tech to order? BTW: The Turbo failed on this coach and it was replaced a few years back.
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2/10 |
This coach appears to have a side radiator-- opening are similar to ours. The exhaust on our 8.3 is on the passenger side, but maybe this is a "Banks " mod (don't know) Seems like less storage than ours and I definitely like our chrome bumpers but it looks like the rumored Breakaway XL model (maybe they needed to be built on a Gillig) The 3060 w/retarder is a very nice option Bud 1993 Breakaway 36ft & 1977 20 ft Spartan: air ride and brakes & P32(?) Cummins: 8.3 litre 250hp, PACBrake Allison 3060 (6 spd) Front entry, side hallway 7.5 kw diesel gen. 1999 2dr Tracker 4X4 5spd, SMI Braking system | |||
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3/22 |
Bill, I read the description a couple times. Granted I tend to Skim but where did you see airbrakes? This has a dash that looked so close to mine I would have said twin. My Aristocrat has very similarities to the Breakaway and was licensed as because the Aristocrat according to NADA was only produced in 95. If I didn't have the Original Paperwork showing it to be an Aristocrat I would have said it was a Breakaway. PO said it was a demo model and was purchased new with 12,000 miles on it and had never been titled. I hope to learn more at Milford if memories can help demystify. Dana & Lynn 1997 38ft Monarch front entry Spartan Mountain Master Chassis Cummins 8.3 325hp Allison MD-3060 6 speed 22.5 11R Cummins Factory Exhaust Brake 8000 watt Quiet Diesel Generator 9608-M0022-38MI-4C Christened Midnight 1972 22ft 72081169MC22C Christened Camp Barth | |||
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| "Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
It has airbrakes - it's not in the ad.
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I knew you were psychic  Dana & Lynn 1997 38ft Monarch front entry Spartan Mountain Master Chassis Cummins 8.3 325hp Allison MD-3060 6 speed 22.5 11R Cummins Factory Exhaust Brake 8000 watt Quiet Diesel Generator 9608-M0022-38MI-4C Christened Midnight 1972 22ft 72081169MC22C Christened Camp Barth | |||
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| 2/10 |
Dana The pics on E-bay, showing the dash, have a clear shot of the yellow air brake emergency/parking knob--- the dash is almost exactly like our Breakaway. The left console with the transmission controls is different and this one does not have the Barth "logo" on the air horns. When I was talking to the PO (when I was thinking of purchasing this coach), he had mentioned that the front door had been tweaked slightly and there was some passage of air one could readily hear at highway speeds. Bud 1993 Breakaway 36ft & 1977 20 ft Spartan: air ride and brakes & P32(?) Cummins: 8.3 litre 250hp, PACBrake Allison 3060 (6 spd) Front entry, side hallway 7.5 kw diesel gen. 1999 2dr Tracker 4X4 5spd, SMI Braking system | |||
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| "Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
Looking for more info from anyone... I've called the number in the ad and left a message. Has anyone been successful with getting additional photos or talking to Matthew? I've received another confirmation that the vin# listed in the eBay ad is not for the coach being sold. Does anyone have a suggestion for Bob?
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| 2/16 Captain Doom |
At the very least, I'd send a question as to why the seller is trying to sell Bob's coach, based on the VIN. If it were I, I'd notify ebay's fraud division - it's bad enough that many things in the listing don't add up, but using a false VIN is serious. Rusty "StaRV II"'94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields | |||
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| "Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
I mean, honestly, why would anyone list a false vin# unless they're planning on some type of fraud? I contacted eBay and was directed to the "Report Item" link. I was told that if people complained - they would review it.  
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