Here's a late model Winny C that doesn't even fit in the picture!
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/rvs/1526397259.html

Needs to have one of those wheels drag racers use.

It's so obnoxious, it looks like it was photo- shop edited!!!

i bet it can do wheelies

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Originally posted by robert and kimberly delucia:
i bet it can do wheelies

But how would you know?

Can you imagine taking a nap on the rear bed going down the road and up behind you comes someone's precious 16 year old daughter following while texting her boyfriend and painting her nails....

That's PRECISELY why I bought a Barth....

I have seen TOO MANY fiberglass/styrfoam/glue motorhomes at the insurance salvage auction with entire sections gone from an accident....

My family is too valuable....

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Originally posted by bill h:

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Originally posted by robert and kimberly delucia:
i bet it can do wheelies

But how would you know?

The big wind
from the aft
after the bend
shows you were daft

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Originally posted by Danny Z:
Here's a late model Winny C that doesn't even fit in the picture!
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/rvs/1526397259.html

As Paul Harvey used to say....."Here's the rest of the story:



I think if I owned that, I would carry the bicycles on the front.

I have 2 questions.
1: How did this thing ever get out of design and into production?
2: Where on earth could you live that you don't see a potential clearance problem?
Extra credit: If you're stupid enough to buy this thing, how in the heck did you ever come up with that kind of money?
I know, it's rude and crude, but I couldn't resist!

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I have seen TOO MANY fiberglass/styrfoam/glue motorhomes at the insurance salvage auction with entire sections gone from an accident....

I suppose there is no saying how a Barth would hold up, I've never seen one wrecked. Here's how one of the most popular S&S brands held up against a big rig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj5U5hWWfis

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Originally posted by Danny Z:
1: How did this thing ever get out of design and into production?

One word answer really.

Lobbyist.

All evils can be traced back to the lobbyists for the Motorhome Manufactures. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it... The correct answer is "Highly Overpaid Lobbyist"

This is the only industry that doesn't need to meet basic federal mandates above the chassis manufacture, they are not required to test their products in any accident settings and the operators do not need to meet requirements related to the weight class or braking mechanisms used in the vehicles.

Did you know that the manufactures that make the towbars are more stringently enforced when it comes to compliance?

Did you know that a 16 year old with a car drivers license can operate a 45' diesel powered coach with airbrakes and a tow behind and it's ok?

Of course the person who designs it should be ridiculed... the dealer who sells this should be shunned and the person who buys it should have his head checked.

As much as we all love our Barths, even Barth has one weak link as compared to the ultimate chassis designs, monocoque.

Here is a well written article on the design differences.

CLASS A MOTORHOME CHASSIS

By: Bob Gummersall

The Chassis under 99% of the Class A Motorhomes manufactured today is a basic Frame Rail. One Hundred % of over the road passenger buses are built on monocoque or semi-monocoque chassis. Full monocoque chassis surround the complete vehicle with frame members. Semi-monocoque chassis use frame members on the lower half of the vehicle, and that provides a very strong base for the rest of the coach. I wonder why that is? A monocoque construction technique is like that of a girder type bridge with support elements diagonally placed between vertical and horizontal elements. Like bus chassis a motorhome semi-monocoque chassis use less weight and gain more strength. Like Greyhound type buses and all new automobiles, this technique provides more rigidity while providing huge inside storage and living space. Frame rails are used in most trucks from pickup to 18-wheelers and the cab is always separate from the payload body. That is because, no matter how big and strong the frame rail is, there is significant torque turning, or twisting, from the front to the rear of the vehicle. In order to limit the damage from this twisting process, truck chassis manufacturers heat treat or temper the rails after key holes are drilled to accommodate components to be attached. Drilling new holes or welding any new components to this hardened frame rail, voids the warranty because it is therefore weakened. Special fasteners, called huck bolts, are normally used to attach truck components to the frame rail because normal bolts no matter how tight they are installed, will eventually loosen.

Motorhome manufacturers use the front and rear caps, the side walls, roof and floor to stiffen the box against this always present torque or twisting. They use special glues and fasteners to attach large sheets of plywood and fiberglass to a simple steel or aluminum frame for all six sides of this box to make it stay together. If perfectly done, the box sides will stiffen the whole vehicle. If not perfectly done, fiberglass will be delaminated, rear overhangs will droop, front and rear caps will crack, many unfixable rattles will develop, and the structural integrity in case of an accident will be weakened. I have seen roll over accidents where all six sides of the frame rail chassis came apart. I have seen roll over accidents of monocoque or semi-monocoque chassis that have simply been righted and driven away. I have not seen any roll over accidents with frame rail chassis where all six sides stayed together. I have not seen a single roll over accident with a monocoque or semi-monocoque chassis where the six sides did not stay together.

If you ride in a 20 year old passenger bus or semi-monocoque motorhome you will find that it is still tight and almost rattle free. It is rare if you find a 20 year old frame rail chassis that that tight. There is really no comparison between the chassis types concerning passenger safety. The monocoque or semi-monocoque wins every time.

So why don't more motorhome manufacturers use a semi-monocoque chassis? The reason is primarily cost. Spartan, Freightliner, Ford, and Union Bay (used to be Chevrolet) supply frame rail chassis to volume motorhome manufacturers. Some makers like Winnebago, cut a frame rail in two, and build a center section that is semi-monocoque design to strengthen the vehicle and gain large storage compartments. All other makes of monocoque or semi-monocoque coaches, manufacturer custom chassis to meet their own specific requirements. Newell, Vogue, Monaco, Foretravel, and Country Coach are the major coaches makers that use custom designed semi-monocoque chassis. These companies have a chassis division that supplies them with proprietary products.

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This is the only industry that doesn't need to meet basic federal mandates above the chassis manufacture, they are not required to test their products in any accident settings and the operators do not need to meet requirements related to the weight class or braking mechanisms used in the vehicles.

But we don't NEED gov'ment telling us what to do!

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Did you know that the manufactures that make the towbars are more stringently enforced when it comes to compliance?

But we don't NEED gov'ment telling us what to do!

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Did you know that a 16 year old with a car drivers license can operate a 45' diesel powered coach with airbrakes and a tow behind and it's ok?

But we don't NEED gov'ment telling us what to do!
So here's a new can of worms for you all.

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Here's a late model Winny C that doesn't even fit in the picture

Trolley cars around here used to have signs on them "watch the swing of the car"
I have seen cars that did not heed get tail whipped right up on the sidewalk.

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Originally posted by Danny Z:
I have 2 questions.
1: How did this thing ever get out of design and into production?
2: Where on earth could you live that you don't see a potential clearance problem?

3. Where on earth would you use the thing? Certainly not boondocking.