Kevin is alluding to the fact that this is probably a breakaway.

Barth Regency's, of that era, had a wider radius roof curve.

There has been many people who believed they had a Regency when they had a Breakaway or a Regal. Unless the previous owner can prove that he has a bill with that data tag number stating it's a Regency then the closest scenario would be a Breakaway XL.

Looking at Kelly Blue book won't show a XL for that year model, and seeing that this coach was one of the very first Breakaway's built perhaps Barth was unsure how they wanted to... (insert any guess you want)

During that time frame Barth was churning out coaches and wanted to be known for their pusher models as evident by the massive drop off in production of gassers.

Maybe going to the 5.9l - 15k's GVW was their way to not price themselves out of the market at that time? Maybe floor plans were nicer without the hump up front? IDK for sure but speculation and our little data tag project makes it easier to draw logical conclusions. For the most part, that's all we got.

Look at the data tag project, I've been updating that page and adding additional coaches in.

Thank you "Mike/Cindi W" for your donation. Sadly, life's trials and tribulations have caused me to go into the hunker down and survive mode. I'm out and itching to be more active in our community.

You rock, Bill.

Take care, be well, stop in some more!

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Originally posted by Bill N.Y.:

Thank you "Mike/Cindi W" for your donation. Sadly, life's trials and tribulations have caused me to go into the hunker down and survive mode. I'm out and itching to be more active in our community.

You are most welcome..people take for granted...at times...what an undertaking that forums like this require tons of work and some costs.. I'm a guest mod on another site ( just for archival search opportunities) and that site has 3 full access moderators who seem to be busy all the time..! Don't try to take it all on yourself..unless, of course you don't have a life otherwise Ha!

maybe consider splitting up some of the duties with other folks.. Tag/Map project, support members stuff, forum mechanics, etc..

You do an excellent job on this most valuable resource....

Mike & Cindi W

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When history repeats itself, it gets more expensive...

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Originally posted by Bill N.Y.:
Kevin is alluding to the fact that this is probably a breakaway.Barth Regency's, of that era, had a wider radius roof curve.

oh well..just going by what the seller was saying.. with a lack of paperwork ( I'm still trying to contact the original owners brother), is there any other documentation that I could check on?

was unaware that any Breakaway model had the cat motor..1990 construction..sold as a 1991.. any brochures for that era Break XL out there..? Looked at a '92 Breakaway brochure and don't see a 34'.. Great, now have to check everything out.. no prob, just want to know what I actually have..

anyone out there have any comparisons..

M/C-W

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just want to know what I actually have

A rare BARTH indeed.

Quick look in our data base only turned up one other 34' Gillig/Cat Breakaway. Beeoh in Canada used to own a 30' Gillig/Cat Breakaway but his Cat was a 6 cylinder. Indeed Breakaways on Gillig chassis are rare!

Mike when you head back to Nor CA, let me know. I am in the South Bay and take frequent 1-2 day jaunts around the area when auto racing season is over. (Nov-Mar)

Will do..., both my dad and I started our State Park careers at Big Basin Redwoods ( 30 years apart !) so know your area well..

ever been here?... one of my other vehicle interests... great tour if you have the interest..

M/C-W

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Originally posted by Bill N.Y.:
Look at the data tag project, I've been updating that page and adding additional coaches in.

Bill , you can add the 3208 designation in the data tag column for me: (have pic's if in doubt )

tag# 9010 3694 34-BG-1B (under Breakaway..currently)

Mike W

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Oddly enough but I'm also having problems with the vin that's listed on that data tag. Please verify the actual vin number on the paperwork from their DMV. The one on the paperwork for the vehicle transfer might be slightly different than what's showing on that tag. If in doubt there's other places to look besides that tag

Funny (not Ha Ha..) you should ask..

just got the title, no model listed

Barth spelled BARH

license plate incorrect on title at least not the one on the coach in the pic's that I took..

vin incorrect ( one # wrong) both on title and bill of sale ... actual in-Barth tag pic below.. paperwork vin shows 417 not 427..



got a call into the bank and the go-between-seller to have THEM remedy this..

Bill, what exactly were the probs you encountered when attempting to add my supplied tag info?

SNAFU..

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Originally posted by Bill N.Y.:
Please verify the actual vin number on the paperwork from their DMV. The one on the paperwork for the vehicle transfer might be slightly different than what's showing on that tag. If in doubt there's other places to look besides that tag

and that would be where?

Stamped in the frame around the drivers side probably just past the front axle. It's very large but might be hidden behind a bolted on suspension part.

I tried vin ending in 417 - 427 - 317 - 327 and it still shows it's incorrect.

Bill,I did an 'Auto Check' ( like carfax but different company..) before buying, this is what came back..


Report run date: July 26, 2016 17:22:26 EDT
1990 Gillig Partially built from factory
VIN: 46GED0427L2051317 Year: 1990 Make: Gillig Model: Partially built from factory Style/Body: City Transit Bus
Accident Check
Reported Accidents: 0
Title and Problem Check
Your vehicle checks out
Odometer Check
Your vehicle checks out
Last Reported Odometer: 32,878
Class: Unspecified Engine: 10.4L V8 Diesel Country of Assembly: United States Vehicle Age: N/A Calculated Owners: N/A

when you say it shows it's incorrect when you try to add it.., how are you checking it.. or at what point in the process does it show incorrect?

just curious..

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Originally posted by Mike/Cindi W:
when you say it shows it's incorrect when you try to add it.., how are you checking it.. or at what point in the process does it show incorrect?

just curious..

M/C-W

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The incorrect is coming to me with a trade industry vehicle checker for parts crossover. All other vin#s I've checked for our site crosses over but that doesn't mean that this one wasn't entered correctly into their data base.

My suggestion, verify the vin# with the frame stamping.

VIN Lookup Results if it was correct would look like this to me

VIN Lookup Results
Manufacturer Gillig - Incomplete Vehicle - USA
Make Gillig
Model Year 1990
Model Incomplete Vehicle
Engine Manufacturer Caterpillar
Engine Series 3208
Engine Capacity V8, 10.4L (636 CID)
Fuel Type Diesel
Vehicle Type Bus
Chassis 40 - Foot or incomplete vehicle
Brake System Air
Country United States
Assy. Plant Hillsboro, TX

~~~ Your results gave me this ~~~

VIN Lookup Results
The VIN number you entered is invalid. Please enter a valid VIN Number.

sounds slightly strange, eh... 2 different vin checks coming back..differently.. maybe you are correct below.. great, mine coach is the oddball in the records..

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All other vin#s I've checked for our site crosses over but that doesn't mean that this one wasn't entered correctly into their data base.

I ran it around the same time on other free vin check sites and came up with this..


VIN Check:
1990 Gillig Partially built from factory
VIN: 46GED0427L2051317
Style / Body: City Transit Bus
Engine: 10.4L V8 Diesel
Country of Assembly: United States

somethings not jiving..