It says Regal on the coach but it's a diesel pusher?? Looks like a nice one owner too!

http://alberta.kijiji.ca/c-car...e-W0QQAdIdZ226000253

From what I have been seeing on a number of web sites, including but not limited to CL and EB, the seller will be lucky to get half what he is asking. The engine he has gets mostly negative comments in lots of forums I have been reading. Never the less, I like the appearance of this coach a lot. I note that it is the same construction as the 1997 for sale in Marshall, MI. That is, full, one piece FG nose with (van?) modular lamps at corner rather than inset as they used to be. thought it was a gas puller on GM Workhorse chassis, till I realized that grill slots in molded nose were not cut open.

Odd coach. Some things don't add up; my '94 28' Breakaway with basically the same engine has a GVW of 16K lbs. (This one's listed at 14K - mine goes over that empty).

On the driver's side, it has the same layout as mine, except there appears to be a closet/pantry aft of the reefer. On the pax side, the setback of the bathroom wall also indicates something longer than mine. But 31' at that GVW when a 30' Breakaway goes 18K?

And I agree, with that drivetrain, I can't see it going for more than ~$18K...GM 6.5s of that era had problems even the early ones didn't have.

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nose with (van?) modular lamps at corner rather than inset as they used to be.

RV manufactures used to build them like that Johhny Cash song that said he built it "one piece at a time". Those light are off an early 80s full size Ford Bronco, the tailights were off an older Ford pickup. It took me a LOT of internet scanning to find those lights for mine as I wanted smoked ones.

guess those mpg were caculated down hill-strong wind at the rear and imperial galons.
Doorman

This coach has been for sale for a very long time...

Here is the Data Tag for this coach.



If you look above the front tire, you'll see the Regal Badge on it.

The GVW from the data tag makes more sense - 18K lbs. It certainly is a unique unit - even for a Barth.

I wouldn't touch it without confirming the block series and whether it's an actual "new" engine, from salvage, or a rebuild. Some rebuilders do an excellent job, others, not so much. Splayed journal bolts and a girdle are pretty much standard for the custom rebuilders, but not for the mass rebuilders, like Jasper. Jasper discloses only the "We do what's required on each individual engine". That might be fine for a pickup not used for towing, but not for a heavy coach.

The stock transmission (presumably a 4L80E) is pretty much up to the job, but the stock torque converter and spline shaft aren't.

It does have the raised floor (as does mine), providing much better basement storage. That taller body (and the widebody width) results in more frontal area. Because of that and the weight, no way does that machine get 15 mpg. More likely 15 kmpg ("mileage" is listed in KM, and the data tag would seem to indicate the coach was spec'ed for export to Canada), that on Imperial gallons. That would work out to 11.25 mpg, still a stretch.

I wonder if this is the original paint? Sure is not conventional for a Barth paint scheme. Looks good, just different.

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Lots, actually. Why would anyone put a Regal badge on a Breakaway?

I was wondering about that. There were no Regal pushers that I have ever seen. A Breakaway was supposed to be an upgrade as far as I knew. This is like F-250 tags on your F-350.

Here is a listing of what NADA shows for 1995. You need to also keep in mind that a 1995 could have been built in 1994 or 1995. This was the transitional year for Barth Inc <> Barth RSV... so, NADA could show us either of the 2 company offerings for this model year.

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/1995/Barth

ARISTOCRAT-230HP 31' - 31'
ARISTOCRAT-230HP 34' - 34'

MONARCH-230HP 32' - 32'
MONARCH-250HP 35' - 35'
MONARCH-250HP 37' - 37'
MONARCH-300HP 35' - 35'
MONARCH-300HP 37' - 37'

REGAL-DSL PSHR 28.5' - 28'6"
REGAL-DSL PSHR 31' - 31'
REGAL-FRONT ENT 22' - 22'
REGAL-SIDE ENT 31' - 31'
REGAL-SIDE ENT 25' - 25'
REGAL-SIDE ENT 28' - 28'

REGENCY-250HP 32' - 32'
REGENCY-250HP 34' - 34'
REGENCY-300HP 32' - 32'
REGENCY-300HP 34' - 34'
REGENCY-300HP 36' - 36'
REGENCY-350HP 36' - 36'
REGENCY-350HP 38' - 38'
REGENCY-350HP 40' - 40'
REGENCY-370HP 36' - 36'
REGENCY-370HP 38' - 38'
REGENCY-450HP 40' - 40'

SOVEREIGN-250HP 35' - 35'
SOVEREIGN-250HP 37' - 37'
SOVEREIGN-300HP 35' - 35'
SOVEREIGN-300HP 37' - 37'

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Originally posted by Kris & Tina Jones:
There were no Regal pushers that I have ever seen.

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Originally posted by Kris & Tina Jones:
There were no Regal pushers that I have ever seen.

I have seen both Regal gas and diesel pushers and Regal diesel pullers. (At least I think they were Regals) Anyway, they were gas pushers. Maybe they were Breakaway gas pushers.

I looked at one other Regal DP in CA in the late '90s or 2000 when I was Barth shopping. The owner advertised it as a Regal DP. We went out to look at it, but when I learned it had the 6.2, we lost interest. I don't remember if it had the Regal badge on it or not.


My own feeling on model name is I believe only what I see from Barth. As an example, my coach has been called a Regal SE by some knowledgeable people, but my tag says it is a 30T, so that is what I call it. I think a coupla years later, a comparable model was an SE, though. I wish we had more Barth literature so we could be accurate.

Maybe when I sell it, I will upgrade it to a Royale.

Here is an old ad for a similar coach from maybe ten years ago in the Barth Rangers newsletter......




I apologize for posting such a difficult to read image. I have no idea how this happened. Perhaps using the phone as a modem has something to do with it. I believe you could enlarge it on your computer by right clicking it and saving to Word and enlarging it or save image as and use your browser tools to enlarge it once you have it saved.

That's a different coach (the "usual" headlights and front entry), and most likely, it's a 28' Breakaway. It appears to be identical to mine (the prototype '94 28').

I believe te one in your ad is this one:




Because of that, and because there's nothing in the 31' Regal ad about an engine replacement, I'd guess the 31' has the original engine. BTW, Safari had at least one 32' pusher with the 6.5L TD.

AMG didn't acquire the GM 6.5L rights until 2000, and didn't get the re-engineering done until around late 2001 (25% stronger block, billet-cut crankshaft, 18:1 compression ratio, etc.). Both these coaches at best would have a late GM-built engine, along with its shortcomings.

The only clues mine is actually a Breakaway are notations on the erection and wiring diagrams. Maybe Barth decided to rebadge the Breakaway to "Regal" to bring the name in line with the royal connotation of the other models.

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Originally posted by Rusty:

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Originally posted by Rusty:
...and most likely, it's a 28' Breakaway. It appears to be identical to mine (the prototype '94 28').

Rusty, your coach is a Breakaway, but you knew that.

Here is the NADA Site on the Breakaway LE

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/1994/Barth

BREAKAWAY-FRT ENT - 28'
BREAKAWAY-LE - 28'
BREAKAWAY-SDE ENT - 30'
BREAKAWAY-SDE ENT - 33'
BREAKAWAY-XL - 30'
BREAKAWAY-XL - 33'
BREAKAWAY-XL - 36'

Your Data Tag shows the LE in its designation.

9302 3852 28LE 1

For 1994, as far as we've been able to determine... If the Data Tag said LK - it was a Regal. So far it's been like this.

The question is... what did the data tag say for the coach you showed us?

I've talked to 2 owners of these 94 & 95 Regals who bought them new and this is what they have told me.

Your striping has hints of the earlier Breakaways - The image you've linked shows the same stripes as the Regal LK.

Good catch, Rusty, and Thank You. My poor eyesight did me in on that one. I will delete all the incorrect formation I posted.