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First Month Member 11/13 |
I can't afford that device. If I put any more gas saving devices on my Barth, I will be saving so much gas I will have to join OPEC as a major petroleum producer. . 84 30T PeeThirty-Something, 502 powered | |||
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2/16 Captain Doom |
Me, too! Years ago I installed a carburetor that would save me 30% on fuel mileage. Then spark plugs that saved 30%. An air filter claimed 20%. Special motor oil saved me another 20%. A distributor saved 10%. Spark plug wires, 5%. A tranmission mod, 10%. The problem was, that I had to stop every 200 miles or so to drain the excess fuel from the car... Rusty "StaRV II" '94 28' Breakaway: MilSpec AMG 6.5L TD 230HP Nelson and Chester, not-spoiled Golden Retrievers Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I've been searching thirty years to find her and thank her - W. C. Fields | |||
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"Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
This guy posted it again in Misc. and Other Stuff Just delete the extra post. Lets poke fun at it here! WOW, Thanks Bill H. That didn't take long! | |||
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FKA: PL77 |
Screw putting them in the car. I eat a couple of those and my wife might even let me sleep in the bed after "beer-with-the-boys night". | |||
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First Month Member 11/13 |
Geeze, Bill. You read my mind. . 84 30T PeeThirty-Something, 502 powered | |||
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First Month Member 11/13 |
Sometimes I think my wife would like me to run out of gas. . 84 30T PeeThirty-Something, 502 powered | |||
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"Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
Everytime fuel goes up these hucksters come out of the woodwork. This guy subscribes to P.T. Barnum's (WC Fields also said it too) saying... "Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump." Barnum also said "There's a sucker born every minute." | |||
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First Month Member 11/13 |
Let's all recollect our memories on this stuff. Mini Supercharger....a carb base spacer with a free-wheeling propellor and an air bleed. Magnets that attach around the fuel line. Gadgets sold at fairs that purported to allow your engine to run on water. Fuel pressure regulators. K&N air flters Chevron F310 gasoline Auburn triple electrode spark plugs. Splitfire plugs The Fish carburettor Vapor injectors Magic metal in the fuel line Tornado Iskenderian mile a mor cam Edelbrock SP2P manifold. Turbonator Slick 50 . 84 30T PeeThirty-Something, 502 powered | |||
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"Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
Believe it or not I have found good use of our taxpayers money. While this doesn't happen often I feel it to be my civic responsibility to inform all of the good work of our government. Below, reprinted without permission (I am however a very active & reluctant fund raiser of this organization) is a list of so called fuel saving devices. Devices Tested by EPA... The following list categorizes various types of "gas-saving" products, explains how they're used and gives product names. Those with asterisks may save measurable, but small, amounts of gas. * Indicated a very small improvement in fuel economy but with an increase in exhaust emissions. According to Federal regulations, installation of this device could be considered illegal tampering. ** Indicated a very small improvement in fuel economy without an increase in exhaust emissions. However, cost-effectiveness must be determined by the consumer for a particular application. All others have been found not to increase fuel economy. Air Bleed Devices. These devices bleed air into the carburetor. They usually are installed in the Positive Crankcase Ventilation line or as a replacement for idle-mixture screws. The EPA has evaluated the following products: ADAKS Vacuum Breaker Air Bleed; Air-Jet Air Bleed; Aquablast Wyman Valve Air Bleed; Auto-Miser; Ball-Matic Air Bleed; Berg Air Bleed; Brisko PCV; Cyclone-Z; Econo Needle Air Bleed; Econo-Jet Air Bleed Idle Screws; Fuel Max*; Gas Saving Device; Grancor Air Computer; Hot Tip; Landrum Mini-Carb; Landrum Retrofit Air Bleed; Mini Turbocharger Air Bleed; Monocar HC Control Air Bleed; Peterman Air Bleed; Pollution Master Air Bleed; Ram-Jet; Turbo-Dyne G.R. Valve. Vapor Bleed Devices. These devices are similar to the air bleed devices, except that induced air is bubbled through a container of a water and anti-freeze mixture, usually located in the engine compartment. The EPA has evaluated: Atomized Vapor Injector; Frantz Vapor Injection System; Hydro-Vac: POWERFUeL; Mark II Vapor Injection System; Platinum Gasaver; V-70 Vapor Injector; SCATPAC Vacuum Vapor Induction System: Econo-Mist Vacuum Vapor Injection System; Turbo Vapor Injection System. Liquid Injection. These products add liquid into the fuel/air intake system and not directly into the combustion chamber. The EPA has evaluated: Goodman Engine System-Model 1800; Waag-Injection System*. Ignition Devices. These devices are attached to the ignition system or are used to replace original equipment or parts. The EPA has evaluated: Autosaver; Baur Condenser; BIAP Electronic Ignition Unit; Fuel Economizer; Magna Flash Ignition Control System; Paser Magnum/Paser 500/Paser 500 HEI; Special Formula Ignition Advance Springs. Fuel Line Devices (heaters or coolers). These devices heat the fuel before it enters the carburetor. Usually, the fuel is heated by the engine coolant or by the exhaust or electrical system. The EPA has evaluated: FuelXpander; Gas Meiser I; Greer Fuel Preheater; Jacona Fuel System; Optimizer; Russell Fuelmiser. Fuel Line Devices (magnets). These magnetic devices, clamped to the outside of the fuel line or installed in the fuel line, claim to change the molecular structure of gasoline. The EPA has evaluated: PETRO-MIZER; POLARION-X; Super-Mag Fuel Extender; Wickliff Polarizer [fuel line magnet/intake air magnet]. Fuel Line Devices (metallic). Typically, these devices contain several dissimilar metals that are installed in the fuel line, supposedly causing ionization of the fuel. The EPA has evaluated: Malpassi Filter King [fuel pressure regulator]; Moleculetor. Mixture Enhancers (under the carburetor). These devices are mounted between the carburetor and intake manifold and supposedly enhance the mixing or vaporization of the air/fuel mixture. The EPA has evaluated: Energy Gas Saver; Environmental Fuel Saver; Gas Saving and Emission Control Improvement Device; Glynn-50; Hydro-Catalyst Pre-Combustion Catalyst System; PETROMIZER SYSTEM; Sav-A-Mile; Spritzer; Turbo-Carb; Turbocarb. Mixture Enhancers (others). These devices make some general modifications to the vehicle intake system. The EPA has evaluated: Basko Enginecoat; Dresser Economizer; Electro-Dyne Superchoke; Filtron Urethane Foam Filter; Lamkin Fuel Metering Device; Smith Power and Deceleration Governor. Internal Engine Modifications. These devices make physical or mechanical function changes to the engine. The EPA has evaluated: ACDS Automotive Cylinder Deactivation System*; Dresser Economizer; MSU Cylinder Deactivation*. Accessory Drive Modifiers. These devices reduce power to specific auto accessories. The EPA has evaluated: Morse Constant Speed Accessory Drive **; P.A.S.S. Kit**; PASS Master Vehicle Air Conditioner**. Fuels and Fuel Additives. These materials are added to the gas tank. The EPA has evaluated: Bycosin; EI-5 Fuel Additive; Fuelon Power; Johnson Fuel Additive; NRG #1 Fuel Additive; QEI 400 Fuel Additive; Rolfite Upgrade Fuel Additive; Sta-Power Fuel Additive; Stargas Fuel Additive; SYNeRGy-1; Technol G Fuel Additive; ULX-15/ULX-15D; Vareb 10 Fuel Additive; XRG #1 Fuel Additive. Oils and Oil Additives. Usually these materials are poured into the crankcase. The EPA has evaluated: Analube Synthetic Lubricant; Tephguard. Driving Habit Modifiers. These are lights or sound devices to tell the driver to reduce acceleration or to shift gears. The EPA has evaluated: AUTOTHERM**; Fuel Conservation Device; Gastell; IDALERT**. Miscellaneous. The EPA has evaluated: BRAKE-EZ; Dynamix; Fuel Maximiser; Gyroscopic Wheel Cover; Kamei Spoilers**; Kat's Engine Heater; Lee Exhaust and Fuel Gasification EGR; Mesco Moisture Extraction System; P.S.C.U. 01 Device; Treis Emulsifier. Real Money Saving Things To Do! Real Money-Saving Steps: There are numerous no- or low-cost steps you can take to combat rising gas prices. The most important place to start is at the gas pump; buy only the octane level gas you need. All gas pumps must post the octane rating of the gas under the FTC's Fuel Rating Rule. Remember, the higher the octane, the higher the price. Check your owner's manual to determine the right octane level for your car. Drive more efficiently: Maintain your car: Consider buying a more fuel efficient vehicle: Deciding which vehicle to buy may be the most important fuel economy decision you make. The difference between a car that gets 20 MPG (miles per gallon) and one that gets 30 MPG amounts to $3,000 over 5 years, assuming gas costs $3.00 per gallon and you drive 15,000 miles a year. (edit) To reflect current prices. Next week it might be $3.50+ (edit) So if you have a 7 MPG gas coach and upgrade to a 10.5 MPG diesel coach... It might make sense for a full timer. You would have to go 75,000 miles in 5 years to save (difference) $10,714.50 bucks. 7 MPG x 2142.90 gallons = 15,000 miles @ 3.00 = $6428.70 10.5 mpg x 1428.60 gallons = 15,000 miles @ 3.00 = $4,285.80 Savings of $2,142.90 So, if you traveled for 5 years @ 15,000 miles per year then your savings would be $10,714.50 for 75,000 miles of use. The real world tells us that most of us will never drive 15,000 miles (a year) in an RV. A full timer might so a diesel makes sense. If we took a 10% of those numbers and said that we travel 1,500 miles a year then the numbers are $642.87 gas $428.58 diesel or a savings of $214.29 Gas v. Diesel. 20% or 3,000 miles $1285.74 Gas Vs. $857.16 Diesel = a difference of $428.58 Also keep in mind that diesel normally cost more then gas so some of this would be offset While fuel cost means something the longevity of a diesel vs. gas and or the cost difference for maintenence or repairs really doesn't show everything. The big question is "How do I use my coach?" (edit end) Still sad (edit end) Don't take my word for it?
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First Month Member 11/13 |
One gadget that used to be sold for fuel saving was a vacuum gage. They are legitimate. The idea is to use a light throttle, and particularly to keep the vacuum high enough for the power enrichment to stay out of the curcuit, or at least to minimize its use. That is usually above 10 or 11 inches on a Qjet. I had a 76 Olds that had one built into the instrument panel. It had red, amber and green zones on its face. Of course, they only work on gas engines, not diesels. In the fifties, there were Mobil Economy Runs, and the winners always said to drive like you had an egg on the gas pedal. Popular Mechanics and Mechanix Illustrated had articles every year. Anyone remember Tom McCahill? What a character he was. And Floyd Clymer. . 84 30T PeeThirty-Something, 502 powered | |||
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"Host" of Barthmobile.com 1/19 |
If you want a good read then check out this post when fuel was only 2.50 a gallon. It took up 8 pages and had an insane number of hits. A refresher for all. Once upon a time, not that long ago, in a place far, far away... See what happens when they get you thinking that 2.50 was a bargain? | |||
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The Old Man and No Barth |
Fifty plus years ago, Tom McCahill was one of my heroes. I remember when the first Sports car mags started, (Road & Track in 1950 or '51) the snooty sports car types turned up their noses his writing style which was at the very least entertaining. He's the guy who invented the 0-60 time as a performance benchmark. I remember the 1949 Jag XK 120 did it in 9.6 seconds or so - outrageously super performance for those days. Today most any econobox can beat that, & be criticized for lack of power. I bet if I dug deep enough into the stash of old auto mags I've dragged around for years, I could find one of his road tests. | |||
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Bill H, The vacuum guage still works with port fuel injected engines. One of the inputs used by the computer to schedule fuel is manifold absolute pressure (vacuum). If you drive while trying to maintain high vacuum, you will minimize the fuel requirements and maximize fuel economy (just as we did in carburetor days). Obviously it doesn't work with the diesel. | ||||
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First Month Member 11/13 |
Yeah, Stu, you're right on that. I don't know what I was thinking. . 84 30T PeeThirty-Something, 502 powered | |||
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