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I think the 3208 Cat is a 2 stroke while the Cummins 8.3 is a 4 stroke. The torque is higher with the 8.3. If my memory serves me the torque of a 3208t is about 715 and the 8.3 is 950. The exact figures may not be correct, but I think they are fairly close. A non turbo 3208 would be less. I looked at a 3208t and was surprised at how low the torque was. It made it at a higher rpm but that may be due to the V configuration of the engine.
 
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I think the 3208 Cat is a 2 stroke while the Cummins 8.3 is a 4 stroke.
Both engines are 4 strokes. The difference between them is V configuration 8 cylinder and an Inline 6 cylinder respectively. Both engines use a HP Injection Pump with individual HP fuel lines to each cylinder.


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3208 is a four stroke. Some are non-turbo so have a real problem in the high western hills.

The two strokes were made by Detroit.


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It comes from Spartan. They offered the chassis with side, rear and front rads. The docs we got with our Barth also say you had a choice of Cummins 8.3, Cat 3208 or DD 8.2 engines.
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Would you happen to know whether the radiator in front was done by Barth or Spartan?


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Our Regency has the roll-out as well as the front radiator.
I have four electric fans that I can turn on manually.
After operating at highway speed for a length of time and then slowing down to lower city speed the transmission temp will increase. Operating range on this tranny is 170-200 degrees and it will be near the 200 degree mark after I have slowed down, if I flip on the fans it cools down to about 180 within a couple minutes. Don, this may explain why your automatic fans are kicking in when you stop, because of the transmission temps (my auto sensors stopped working so I wired mine manually, which I prefer) I have never noticed an increase in engine temp when I slow down, only transmission.


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Ditto to Steve WI's post.

Same engine, roll-out, front Rad., fans are manual [came that way] and my engine temp always runs low, but have the same thing happen with my tranny ...temp. rises rapidly with lower driving speeds following highway driving.

I wonder if there are ways to get that tranny to cool-down a bit?


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Medic37 & Steve WI, I found reading about your transmission temp to be of timely interest. We just drove about 2000 miles and I noticed for the first time the same type occurrence. After driving at highway speeds, when I slowed down the Trans Temp would go up about 15 degrees. Both water temp and trans temp normally run about 170-180. When slowing down the trans temp would move up to about 200. It would go back down as soon as I returned to highway speed. Coach is a 32 foot 1993 Regency, 3208 300HP, Allison 4 speed, Side Radiator, Hydraulic fan, no additional fans.

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If you have the 600 series Allison you have a lockup torque converter. At lower speed it runs unlocked and will generate lots more heat. Speed up and the converter locks up and temps go down.


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Do all Regencies have side radiators?


What I meant to ask was, "Do any Regencies have rear radiators?"


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