I am trying to find some info on my tag weight. There isn't a seperate plate by the data tag. Is there any other place it might be? From previous posts it looks as if the tag can be anywhere from 3500 (1973 barth) to 5200lbs. I see that all the P series chassis have the same GVWR from 28' up to 34' did they put a tag on everything 30' and over? This is the only tag info I have. Thanks for the help
Gerald

Don't have the info you asked for, but you can take your coach to most truck stops and get it weighed by axle. When you drive on make sure each axle is on a different pad and a few buck later you have your data. This is also useful for know how many pounds of air pressure for each tire.

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Originally posted by Gerald:
I am trying to find some info on my tag weight. There isn't a seperate plate by the data tag. Is there any other place it might be?

From the Neway manual, the tag will carry different weight depending on the bag pressure. Ihe unstrung weight of the tag axle and wheels should be added to that. The unsprung weight can be determined by weighing the tag axle on the scales with zero pressure in the bags. The bags can be inflated, and the numbers should increase to match the chart in the manual. I haven't done that myself, but I might sometime.

Weighing will give you the complete figure, but it will vary with the downward force applied by bag pressure.

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From previous posts it looks as if the tag can be anywhere from 3500 (1973 barth) to 5200lbs.

I have wondered abut that, too. It seems to be contrary to the Neway manual. Of course, it is possible that Neway changed their specs. You might check the sticker on the right side trailing arm for model numbers and anything else.

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I see that all the P series chassis have the same GVWR from 28' up to 34' did they put a tag on everything 30' and over?

There were 30 and a little longer without tags on P30s up till they started using the Ford drivetrain chassis. The need for a tag went away, as they had a higher GVW in back.

From several tag axle Barth coaches for 86-88 it seems that the answer is 5200lbs.

This tag is from a coach made after yours.


Looks like a total of 19,700lbs GVWR to me.

Now, if you tell me that your coach weighs almost that empty, you wouldn't be surprising many people here.

Here is a picture of a data tag with the weights done properly. In this image it shows you that the weights are to be combined.
14,500 plus 5,200 = 19,700 GVWR

Thanks everybody! Bill NY your right... crawled underneath the back (one more sweet roll and I wouldn't have made it ) I found the tag on the trailing arm as bill h mentioned... upside down of course!
Neway Tag axle
Ser # TA3693EM
Capacity 5200 lbs
Mod # TA5-3
Disclaimer: This was my upside down read without my glasses

Just checked my notes, and that is how mine is marked.

It would seem that the weight specs were upgraded from the TA3-CA-865 to the TA5-3.

It would sure be nifty if someone had a manual for that model axle they could share with us.

The manual was originally kindly provided by a member from Canada, who had a late '70s tag. Big Bear, It would appear that, somewhere along the line, Barth switched to the TA5-3.

I carry 25 lbs pressure in mine and use the drive axle bags and helper springs to set initial ride height before a trip. I set the tag and drive axle bags at 25 and adjust the helpers with the coach at its lightest. That is, no hitch load and empty tanks. Before a trip, the drive axle bags are adjusted for full gas and water tanks. Then, as the hitch load changes (boat disconnected, motorcycle left, etc), and the tank loads change, I adjust ride height with the more convenient tag bag controls in the cockpit.

Some of this sounds anal, but you have all heard unkind things about P30 handling. Much depends on set up. This is my third P30, and, properly fiddled, is far superior to the others, which were also fiddled, but with less satisfactory results. The 502 makes it a real mountain climber, and we do a lot of mountain driving.

Anybody know White Spar (89) north into Prescott, for example. Or Lake Isabella road, or Montezuma? Those are great roads on a good motorcycle (not a "cruiser"), but they are "interesting" for a P30.

I have made some calls today to see if I could get any more information, manuals and replacement for the air spring. SAF-Holland who I believe makes Neway now gave me a Goodyear # of 90557049,no manuals. Called Goodyear engineering department and they crossed it to 1R9-025, but said that they were proprietory to Neway and never made it to the aftermarket. The Goodyear customer service rep said he would talk with one of the engineers in the AM and call me back with any possible replacement

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Called Goodyear engineering department and they crossed it to 1R9-025, but said that they were proprietory to Neway and never made it to the aftermarket.

If 1R9-025 is a good number, Dayton Air Springs made them too.

Here's the link to the Dayton Parts Airbag: $294.06

When Goodyear sold them, they were only: $163.34

Thanks Bill NY, Haven't heard back from the Goodyear people yet... it is nice to know that you can still get them, even if they are a bit spendy! Goodyear rep did tell me the last time they made them was 2001. Still trying to see if I can get a service/owners manual on the Neway somewhere.

From this post By ken Partney (bottom) I got a Goodyear #1R9-065

None in Stengel Bros.. Google search took me here:

http://www.truckspring.com/sus...eve-air-springs.aspx

Just to keep everything in one place... and to further help someone else in the future rusty2jeff99 found that the #1R9-038 was the same as the #1R9-025

My bags are marked 1R9 on the side of the bags, and 566-18-3-010 on the bottom.

That number bag is used on the 1R9-038, but I am not sure the piston is the same. The last time I was really blocked up on a hill, the tag was hanging free, and the pistons looked longer.

Hmmm Wonder which would be the better fit 038 or065? I would like to order a couple while they are still available. My right side bag is a little chaffed. Thats the side that leaks a little..don't know if that's the problem though.

I was also wondering if a person should treat these with something (especially over the winter) to keep them more pliable.