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Bill NY, well you were right as it IS coming out of the dipstick hole (amd LOTS of it)... So I was hoping that is was a restriction in the blow-by hose... Well I took that apart all the way to the block and there is NO restriction... I have a bad tooth right now and I think I need a root canal so I didnt work on it today BUT... The breather tube was the simplest thing I could think of so I was hoping... Yesterday I talked to a 8.2DD mechanic and he said I need a rebuild at bout $10k.. The motor runs VERY strong and got 9.487 mpg going to the GTG so it dosent sound or feel like a scrap motor... After more thinking and looking around and an idea from my brother who knows less then I do about diesels he had an idea... I am hoping he is right, we think it might be a bad dipstick!!!! The one that was poping out of the hole and leaking is about 3/4" longer then the other and the bends near the top are more or less straightened out so there is BARELY any resistance to pulling it out of the hole, unlike the other side/dipstick... Any opinions? I'll know more after i get it put back together (maybe tues or weds)... Is there a way to check how much blow-by is acceptable? Or how much positive crankcase pressure is allowable?
Any opinions appreciated....


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Is there blow-by coming out of that vent hose? You said you went back to the block... is the crank case breather attached to the valve cover or the block in your installation? Did you remove and check the screen on the engine side of the breather? I saw that your engine had 2 oil filler caps... Have you considered installing 2 oil filler caps with the vents built into them?

You might indeed have a very loose dipstick... just don't wire tie it down to the point that it blows out of a main seal. Crankcase psi always takes the path of least resistance weather it be a vent tube, oil dipstick or front/rear main seals.

To properly check for crankcase psi, you'll need to dyno the engine. Max no load is not a good indication of blowby psi... but, if it fails under no load, there is no reason to try it under full load.


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Bill NY, I took a pic for you.... I's all put back together but further testing will have to be done tomorrow.... The dentist pulled my upper rear tooth yesterday so that hampered progress...



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Patch, with the bends straightened out on the one dipstick, is that one longer than the other stick. Have you checked the level with each stick at the same time. I feel almost certain one of the sticks has to give an erroneous reading. Reading the longer stick could be dangerous in giving a full reading when you are low on oil.

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Yes Nick it ia a "little" longer.... With the variations of oil levels in this engine it has not been a problem... The scans I got form M2 and George call for two different sticks, thesse are definately the same part number.... I wonder if someone removed the "bends" to make it match what was supposed to be there? The marks are less then a quart off the way it sits.... I just wonder witout the bends if that could have made it come loose then maybe atomization could have "sucked" the oil out of the tube?


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OK, Here's a couple pics of my homemade manometer.... Thanks to Mr. M2 I have the no load spec for crankcase pressure and our engine is WELL within allowable tolerance's... The marks are 1" apart and 3" is the MAX allowable no load pressure....





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Originally posted by Patch1st:
...I have the no load spec for crankcase pressure and our engine is WELL within allowable tolerance's... The marks are 1" apart and 3" is the MAX allowable no load pressure....
The "No Load Pressure" is not what I was worried about.
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Originally posted by Bill N.Y.:
To properly check for crankcase psi, you'll need to dyno the engine. Max no load is not a good indication of blowby psi... but, if it fails under no load, there is no reason to try it under full load.
But, as a stated in the same post.
quote:
Originally posted by Bill N.Y.:
You might indeed have a very loose dipstick... just don't wire tie it down to the point that it blows out of a main seal.
I love your home made Manometer! mechanic


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You might indeed have a very loose dipstick... just don't wire tie it down to the point that it blows out of a main seal.


Bill, there is one on the other side... If the CC pressure is to high (under load) the other stick should pop out correect? I think I'm goin to rebend the bad stick and take it for a ride to see what happens.... I dont have any idea where to find a dyno that this thing will fit on....


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