I am looking at two Barth coaches that I may want to purchase. One owner states that it is a 30 Foot Regency with 230 Cummins 5.9 engine. And the other owner states it is a 34 foot Regency With a 230 Cummins 5.9 engine. By what I have read on the Barth site only Brakeaways have this engine and I do not think Regency's come in a 30 foot model. Am I wrong? Does anyone know of a 30 foot or a 34 foot Regency with a 5.9 cummins engine?

No, you pretty well have it nailed. There has been no Regency shorter than 32', and no Regency is known with the Cummins 5.9L. Breakways come in 28', 30', and 32/33', all with either the 5.9L or, rarely (mine is one) the GM 6.5L TD. Base HP for the 28's was 160; the 30' and 32's based, AFAIK, with 190, with 215 and 230 being options.

Regencies had, most commonly, the Cat 3208, less frequently, the Cummins 8.2L, while newer ones featured the Cat 3126 or 3176.

There has been one persistant 32' coach for sale by a dealer that has "Regency" decals, and has been claimed to be a 34', but that has been debunked as "decals on a Breakaway".

IMHO, the only reason to concern oneself with whether a Barth is a Breakaway or Regency is if the seller thinks he has the upscale Regency (for pricing) when he doesn't. Regencies have a bit more upscale interior appointments, but my Breakaway lacks only the Corian on the kitchen counters (it has them in the bath). Regencies also sport an air- or air-assisted suspension, where the Breakways are all mechanical.

Another difference, which pretty well nails down a coach being one or 'tother is the generator. Regencies had diesels, Breakaways, propane.

I hope this helps.

Patrick, if you can get the Data tag number from the coaches, we can tell you what it is and the length that "Barth" claimed. Also if you can get the VIN, call the chassis manufacturer and they can tell you what engine, transmission, and etc was supplied with the chassis.
Nick

quote:

Originally posted by Rusty:
Regencies have a bit more upscale interior appointments, but my Breakaway lacks only the Corian on the kitchen counters (it has them in the bath). Regencies also sport an air- or air-assisted suspension, where the Breakways are all mechanical.

Another difference, which pretty well nails down a coach being one or 'tother is the generator. Regencies had diesels, Breakaways, propane.

I hope this helps.

There are always exceptions...
my 85 Regency has laminate counter tops in the galley (only Corian in the bathroom)and a non air bag suspension (see pics in the technnhical forum!). It does have a diesel genset.

quote:

Base HP for the 28's was 160; the 30' and 32's based, AFAIK, with 190, with 215 and 230 being options.

Did Barth or Spartan pair the 215 and 230 with the 4 spd transmission? What year were the 215 and 230 offered?

How does one easily identify the hp of 5.9 engine? Radial FI pump? Inline pump? Engine serial number?

Some Breakaways have been advertised with diesel gensets. One of the Indiana ones on eBay supposedly has one.

Regency's are Barth's, there are no rules as to how they were fitted out. Unlike Regals and Breakaways, I do not think that Barth made many Regencies that were not individually ordered. You got what you ordered.
Ours was ordered in Dec. 89 and delivered in May 90 to some folks in Carlsbad NM. It came fully carpeted, no hardwood or tile. Laminate countertop in the galley, and single pane windows all 'round.
I guess they were on a budget.
It does have the full Spartan/Cummins air suspension, brakes and shifter with the Kohler 7.5 diesel generator.
Don and Patty

quote:

Originally posted by bill h:


Did Barth or Spartan pair the 215 and 230 with the 4 spd transmission? What year were the 215 and 230 offered?

How does one easily identify the hp of 5.9 engine? Radial FI pump? Inline pump? Engine serial number?

No authority here but, AFAIK the 230 HP 5.9 Cummins was only offered with the 6 speed, and it was for the late '93 builds and on.

The 5.9 engine came with both the radial and inline pumps but most think the inline pump was offered after '92. For dodge, the inline pump was offered '94 and later.


Engine number is the absolute way to tell.

quote:

Originally posted by MWrench:
No authority here but, AFAIK the 230 HP 5.9 Cummins was only offered with the 6 speed, and it was for the late '93 builds and on.

Yeah, that's what I thought, too. The reason I ask is that a 92 sold on eBay recently http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte...em=110273237743&rd=1 was adv as having the 230 hp, but had a shift lever in the photo, which could have indicated a 4 speed trans.

quote:

Engine number is the absolute way to tell.

Is there any code or suffix or something that can tell, or does the number have to be phoned in to Cummins or what?