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Originally posted by Danny Z:
Not going over this weekend for the Shootout and ARCA, just too darn cold. Won't hit 60 today with a 20 mph north wind, and the Shootout isn't till 8:00 tonight, so it will be even colder.

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Here in AZ, the river across the road is frozen, but it is mid '70s and sunny in the afternoons

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Originally posted by Danny Z:

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Here in AZ, the river across the road is frozen, but it is mid '70s and sunny in the afternoons

bill, this is the first thing I can remember in my 8+ years here that you've said that makes no sense. 70's and sunny won't allow ice for very long.

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The river is frozen only on top

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How wouldja know?

But, in this case, I meant just a thin layer of ice on top. It had that nifty angular pattern, like the moisture on windows under some conditions. The horses here know to use their hooves to break the ice on their troughs. We had to use heaters in Iowa.

Formerly: 1997 Barth Monarch
Now: 2000 BlueBird Wanderlodge 43' LXi Millennium Edition DD Series 60 500HP 3 stage Jake, Overbuilt bike lift with R1200GS BMW, followed by 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited,
“I haven’t been everywhere, but it’s on my list.”

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Originally posted by Moonbeam-Express:

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How wouldja know?

But, in this case, I meant just a thin layer of ice on top. It had that nifty angular pattern, like the moisture on windows under some conditions.

Bill, sorry, I was just having fun with ya

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"Sure, made me chuckle. Also made me think a little, and decided that it would be very unlikely for water to freeze first at the bottom of a river. Perhaps a heat wave in the Arctic would melt the top but not down deep for the first day or so. But, that's a stretch."

Corey - I've seen a river in New Hampshire freeze hard, then a heavy rain overtops it. Weird looking and dangerous. It's probably impossible for a river to actually freeze bottom up. I know that even in a lake, the ice can only get so thick and then it insulates the cold air from making the ice any deeper. I skied Squaw Valley over Lake Tahoe, and that lake never freezes because it's too deep and the water just keeps inverting warmer water from the endless bottom.



"BTW, I like the rear quarter shot of your coach. something about a tag axle, I guess."

Formerly: 1997 Barth Monarch
Now: 2000 BlueBird Wanderlodge 43' LXi Millennium Edition DD Series 60 500HP 3 stage Jake, Overbuilt bike lift with R1200GS BMW, followed by 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited,
“I haven’t been everywhere, but it’s on my list.”

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Originally posted by bill h:
BTW, the Hassayampa is a weird river. It often flows underground, then surfaces, then goes down again. The part I see on my morning walk is pretty still, so it freezes more easily than if there were a lot of current. It can go from a dry wash to an impassable torrent in a couple hours. And the road crossings that do not have bridges or culverts get lots of sand washed over them.

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Originally posted by Don in Niagara:

We'll likely take the scenic route up thru Yarnell and over to Prescott this week.

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You have quite a long grocery run from your place to town!

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Originally posted by Danny Z:

bill, this is the first thing I can remember in my 8+ years here that you've said that makes no sense.